What's your take on the regulars that come here who are anti-Astrology?!
Question: It seems a bit odd that a person who claims not to even like Astrology, much less "believe" in it, would waste so much of their time coming here to "beat down the fans", you know?
I don't care for horror movies, yet I don't stand outside the cinema trying to lure the crowds away, you know what I mean? Do you suppose they're trying to save us from something?
What is it in a person's birth chart that makes them do that?
Answers: It seems a bit odd that a person who claims not to even like Astrology, much less "believe" in it, would waste so much of their time coming here to "beat down the fans", you know?
I don't care for horror movies, yet I don't stand outside the cinema trying to lure the crowds away, you know what I mean? Do you suppose they're trying to save us from something?
What is it in a person's birth chart that makes them do that?
And there are always those people who loves shoving their beliefs down other people's throat. Those people tend to associate astrology with the lousy everyday horosopes on TV and magazines and they dont even bother taking time to know what astrology really is. It's more than just the sun sign. But I dont need to say it here since you guys probably know that.
It's the same with someone who is christian and is trying to shove their beliefs down your throat because they are so brainwashed to regconise that other people are entitled to their own beliefs too . And yes, to a lesser or greater extent , these people think they are saving us from ....uh I dont know non-scientific mumbo-jumbo. But guess what, science is nice and has helped humans in advancing themselves, but there are a lot of things science can not explain and those things, you better believe, are way beyond science reach.
One more thing about astrology that most haters seem to forget / or just out right deny , it is free will. Astrology does not tell us about our future , it points out what is good and not so good about us , what is one's advantages and disadvantages and from those, with free will , one can make use of it to advance himself.
Nothing in a person's chart that makes them haters...but my best guess is that person must have a lot of bible element square with every planet.......
lol..just kidding.
LOL...you're question makes me laugh...
It's kind of like we have our own "protestors"...I just don't see people who don't like pets going to the pets section to bark at the participants..
It's laughable...
There's nothing in a chart that would cause that...Even people with beautiful stars can be jerks...
Blessings to you.
There's one in particular who is actually a top contributor and I've also scratched my head at this. He only answers to shoot everyone else's beliefs down. Why spend so much time in a section that's dedicated to something you don't believe in? This is one question I don't have an answer for because I don't get it myself. Personally, I wouldn't want to waste my time contributing to something if my heart's not in it.
This is a two-part question:
How best to handle them?
Just ignore them and they will withdraw of their own accord in time. The more power you give them the more they feel 'justified'.
Why do they do it?
Religious and tradition fanatics aside (and we all may know those)I guess it's either that they are too 'practical' and/or materialistic to even believe in 'untangible' matters, or else they are probably 'scared' that once you learn their sign you will get to know them inside out so they go around advertising the lack of credibility of signs.
There are also those who may have not had the time to learn about signs, and are not yet 'sure' and want to test the waters before they decide to plunge in, and see if it's really worth their time and effort, from the reaction they get from those who are or are not 'into' it.
I've wondered this too, and the only thing that I can possibly come up with is that they've had some sort of horrible experience with astrology and are determined to "take down" the "frauds" once and for all. Maybe a loved one got fleeced by a bad "astrologer" or something like that, and now they're convinced that all astrologers are bad. Or maybe they just like stirring the pot.
EDIT: In response to all of those who are saying that the atheists do a lot of religion bashing over in R&S, to be fair, the religious people (in particular the Christians) do a lot of atheist bashing themselves. And at least the atheists aren't telling the Christians that they're damned to hell for what they believe every chance they get.
it's a form of religion, just like "Creationism". It's dressed up as "science", but ignores scientific principles in favor of evangelical zeal. I've never yet encountered any one of this type who could even provide a comprehensible definition of astrology, much less explain any of its finer points......
the worst reason i heard about it was that astrology is satanic.
a bunch of empty-headed street priests.
doovinator: astrology is the study of the positions and aspects of celestial bodies in the belief that they have an influence on the course of natural earthly occurances. This is how dictionary.com defines astrology. I disagree with the belief part but the rest is good to me.
I 100% agree with you and have asked the same question on here before. Why come here if you don't know jack squat about astrology? It just wastes everyone's time including the answerer. Of course, this is "horoscopes" not "astrology" so I suppose it will always be so. If we could get an astrology section that'd be nice....but I'm afraid I can only hope for that.
I think they think they are trying to save us. What they don't realize is if we were trying to do to them what they do to us, they'd be furious and wouldn't listen. So it seems contradictory huh?
It's just something we could talk about all day, and it's an endless tug-of-war. Like how atheists go the R&S to disprove religion, it won't stop here. I think if everyone agreed to disagree things would be much less hasty and tense here. People, just let each other be okay!
edit: restless is right as well, some have had bad experience with astrologers (probably the would-be ones who aren't really interested in astrology but instead in making cash) and thought that if one is bad, they all must be. Of course this is like saying that just because one time you ate some bad broccoli, now all broccoli is bad. Um....no, it was only that particular broccoli. (yeah, I know.....broccoli. what can I say it came to mind)
I think the 8th house has a lot of influence on interest in things like horoscopes. If they don't have a lot of planetary influence in that house, it may make them disinterested. Then add some sort of Leo influence, and they might get a little bossy. Then add some stubborn Taurus influence, and they choose not to change. In the end, I think it's envy that drives them, because they see the people in Horoscopes are having such a good time.
All the answerers above are right. As for me I feel a certain smugness from people and a little bit of condescency (sp ?) from some people in real life when I talk about it.
I rarely do anymore.
People will attack each other fiercely in R&S and each will feel somewhat "intellectually or morally superior" to the opponent.
Oh some people I am sure believe that we smoke weed non stop, wear hippy clothes, beads, wash once a month...basically we should live in a cave you know and make our own tools; we do not quite belong to civilisation ; we are "retards", immature, gullible and it is a way for them to show their "superiority".
What comes to mind is a bit like what I encounter in real life..a certain "rolling of the eyes" even if they do not show it. Same people who will go to church every Sunday but here it is none of my business, I won't discuss religion with them ,but the same ones when noticing my books have that "amused" look on their face : Oh..you believe in astrology and my credibility has gone down the drain !!!
Sometimes I get the feeling that some people are a bit frightened by it like you are going to discover all their little dirty secrets. They start to get interested but then will not go on anymore.......a certain fear of the unknown, of being "analysed", whatever..but sometimes some open-minded individuals feel a certain relief. I once did the chart for an accountant. A total extrovert, very funny, life of the party ( yeah an accountant , smiling here !!) etc but always refused to give speeches in his job. There was something in his chart ( I forgot what) which intrigued me because he really had a very badly aspected Mercury or stg like that and I pointed out that he was a bit of a mystery to me....He then admitted to me and his colleagues that the real reason as to why he always refused to give speeches was because he used to be a bad stutterer as a child and started to panic each time he was asked to stand up, in fear that his stuttering would come back. It was a relief for him from then on because people understood his predicament and stopped forcing him.So...not all people that is for sure ! Actually at times, some people start to take an interest themselves because they did not know that aspect of mine and my interest in it but they knew enough about me to realise that I was not some kind of idiot.
Ohh...it will be like the study of acupuncture, reflexology, pressure points, chakras ( science can't explain them either but more enlightened individuals realise that science cannot possibly explain everything..yet) etc which were viewed in the past as outlandish but those subjects are starting to creep into the mainline newspapers and media.
edit : yep RA is right !! There are some really unscrupulous people out there ! Not too far from my home there is somebody who has a "professional astrologer" sign on the lawn. One day I went to see her and she was anything but ! There was nothing about astrology at all. The gal had a crystal ball, told me a few vague facts and started the hard sell : I was supposed to borrow a crystal for one week at the cost of $60 to clear my aura etc..bit of a nasty scene at the end. I refused to pay point blank, she threatened to call the police and said : go ahead ! I will expose you as a fraud anyway !
Haha, yeah, that's a good question.
But, you can see that everywhere...Why do you think that atheists visit the RELIGION and Spirituality section?
Every kind of concept needs a couple of opposite forces in order to have a meaning. In order to understand light, you have to experience darkness...In order to be an atheist, you need someone to claim/believe that God exists.
Their reason for coming here is clearly not about Astrology..it's not even about the existence of their faith in the subject or not.
Whenever you place some positive charge in some area, it will, no matter what, attract the negative one and vice versa. And of course both of them assert the title of the "right" one on the subject. It really doesn't matter who's right or wrong because there are always people who take the side of both.
However, if one of them was to stop existing, the other would stop existing, as well.
Yes, they are trying to "save" us. Just like we are trying to save people from "ignorance" (which is, in our case, connected to the lack of astrological knowledge). They are trying to make us consider their viewpoint in the exact same way we do.
"Black" and "white" are named like that just for perfunctory reasons. None of them would have meaning if the other didn't exist.
Some people are more inclined to deal with the occult than others. There are people who prefer solids facts and laws that can be applied anywhere for something to be valid. I think that you can easily detect the occult-inclined by searching their 8th or 12th house...or just their Water influences. On the other hand, people who prefer concrete learning would be more Earth influenced, in my opinion.
I know, right? It's like the people in Religion and Spiritualiy-athiests( not all of them) bashing all other religions, when the other religions are like, if they want to be an anthiest-that's thier choice.
birthchart? I don't know-I think it's just plain meanness.
i find that there really is no legitimate excuse for it. its true, by comparison, i have witnessed atheists bashing other religions/beliefs etc. however, toss the other side of the coin and you will see the atheist bashing may be legitimate....why? because many religious fanatics love to harass people and shove beliefs down people's throats and say other horrible things to non-believers, such as "you'll burn in hell", "you won't get saved", etc, etc. and, when you look at the reality of things, like history and civilizations, hasnt religion been the cause of wars, damage and many horrible things? in any way, it works both ways in R&S. atheists get bashed too. im sorry for the religious people who dont harass or bash anyone and im sorry for the atheists who dont mean any harm either. its like a never-ending war, and i doubt it will ever stop. im not a part of it. im an atheist.
now, lets look at our section, the Astrology section. tell me, when has astrology ever caused any damage, any wars, any type of serious conflict? have you ever seen astrology believers on here trying to MAKE people to believe in it? have you ever seen any astrology believers harassing anybody? i dont think so...now here in the astrology section, its an obvious given, we how much opposition people have against our beliefs! we know we have to be strong because of all the opposition we get. and because we cause no harm, that is why i believe it isn't okay to be a regular basher in here trying to get people to the opposing side! its very rude, not to mention the persons guilty of such simply don't understand the meaning of respect. and i find it unbelievable that some people dedicate their time to be disrespectful and rude. there is a fine line here: you can be a skeptic, and then you can be a very rude skeptic who simply doesnt know the meaning of respect. i can go to the R&S section, be a skeptic and not be disrespectful!